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POLITICS 11/10/2008 |
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WHEN WILL GAY VOTERS GET IT? Ethnicity and orientation are estranged bedfellows. |
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Wednesday morning, November 5, California gays and lesbians woke to a sobering truth: their African-American “brothers” and “sisters” were not so brotherly or sisterly at the ballot box. I’ve warned about this disconnect for years, but few listened. Now, sadly, gays have to eat a little Jim Crow of their own.
Memo to Gay America: most African-Americans are social conservatives. They proved this conclusively in 2004, when thousands of African-Americans in key battleground areas of Ohio turned out against John Kerry because of the exhortations of their homophobic preachers. Many proved it again in February 2007, by their open, or barely disguised (agreeing with “the sentiment,” but not “the way” it was expressed) acquiescence with the homo-hating vitriol of African-American NBA basketball star Tim Hardaway, who said, "You know, I hate gay people, so I let it be known. I don't like gay people and I don't like to be around gay people. I'm homophobic. I don't like it [homosexuality]. It shouldn't be in the world or in the United States." And they proved it again on November 4 in their overwhelming support of Measure 8, the California voter initiative whose official ballot title language explicitly stated: “Eliminates Right of Same-Sex Couples to Marry.”
Let’s not be coy or disingenuous. The clarity of the initiative’s wording says it all: Black voters knew precisely what they were doing on Election Day. As African-American civil rights attorney, and conservative talk radio commentator, Leo James Terrell, said on KABC radio Sunday afternoon: on the very day that Barack Obama made history as the nation’s first African-American president, black voters acted as “slave masters” towards gay people. Clearly, in the minds of most African-Americans, gays are not part of their “Rainbow Coalition,” no matter what Jesse Jackson insists.
Look at the numbers. Though Barack Obama won over 96% of the black vote in California, the No on 8 position received only 30% of the African-American vote. Some liberal black commentators claim that blacks are not to blame for the measure’s failure. After all, almost 50% of Asians and whites, and over 53% of Latinos voted for Measure 8. But the Asian, White, and Latino vote for Mr. Obama was nowhere near as monolithic as the black vote for Mr. Obama. In other words, there were plenty of McCain supporters in the non-black numbers.
So, let’s “keep it real,” in the vernacular of the day. As Sebastian makes clear at OsidianWings.blogs.com, given the extraordinarily high African-American turnout in California, Measure 8 would have failed if only a slightly higher percentage of black Obama-supporters voted against it. It would have been thoroughly repudiated if black Obama-supporters voted against Measure 8 in the same percentage as white, Asian, and Latino Obama-supporters.
But they didn’t. This despite the gay community’s whole-hearted embrace of Mr. Obama in part because his election would advance the rights of all minorities. An early and generous financial backer of Mr. Obama was openly gay David Geffen. Furthermore, gay people played a huge role in getting the sizable number of gay and lesbian backers of Hillary Clinton into the Obama fold. Yet the passage of a gay-bashing ballot initiative is the thank you they get in not only California, but in other Democrat-leaning states that passed or have passed similar gay-bashing measures. These are the facts. And as many black commentators have noted, it is not racist or mean-spirited to say so.
While Measure 8’s ban on gay marriage may never pass muster with the California Supreme Court, it does serve as an important litmus test: Gays should never again make common cause based on ethnicity. With malice towards none, and a friendly acknowledgment that this awkward political marriage isn’t working out, gay voters should finally exercise the electoral and financial leverage they’ve had for decades and threaten to bolt from the Democratic Party unless Barack Obama changes his position on gay marriage and brings his devoted black constituency along with him.
No doubt that seems wrong-headed to many readers. But as the Log Cabin Republicans well know, a sizable number of otherwise moderate and conservative gay men and women stay in the Democratic Party for only one reason: because, over the last few decades, Democrats have been stronger defenders of gay rights. But as an Obama-led Democratic Party swerves to placate its fiercely loyal African-American base and only slightly less homophobic Latino cohort, gay men and women would not be faulted for openly questioning the Faustian bargain they have made.
Here’s the ugly truth. More white REPUBLICANS voted against Measure 8 than black Democrats. If the moral equivalency argument was EVER going to sink in, surely it would be in a year when in a liberal state like California there was both a gay-bashing constitutional amendment AND a liberal African-American presidential candidate on the ballot. I say “gay-bashing” because as even radically conservative black talk show hosts like Larry Elder admit, Measure 8 was not about protecting marriage or children. It was about punishing gay people. It was a blatant attempt to institutionalize the denial of civil rights to an entire class of innocent Americans. Measure 8 was bigotry made legal.
But for some reason, a whole class of people, for whom claims of racial bigotry have been an enduring mantra, did not see it that way. Funny enough, Jewish people made the connection. If there is a group of Americans who could legitimately make the claim that discrimination against gays is not morally equivalent to the horrors their ancestors endured, surely it is Jewish-Americans. Yet, except for a tiny minority of orthodox believers, Jewish voters were among the most unified in their opposition to Measure 8. While for years I never felt the urgency of protecting the right to gay marriage as long as gays enjoyed the same civil rights protections as straights, I have long since seen the light: failure to protect gay marriage would enshrine “separate but equal” status in law. And as Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka made clear, we can never as a nation go back to that ugly chapter in our history. Black Americans who risked their lives to end segregation and bans on interracial marriage should know this most of all. But evidently Plessy or Dred Scott are perfectly fine, as long as they apply to “the other.”
It might be high time for all gay men and women, regardless of color, to consider a few alternatives. First would be the un-thinkable: making common cause with the Republican Party. Given the GOP’s openly hostile attitude to gays over the last two decades, this might seem absurd. But when you remember that it is the Republican Party – from Lincoln through Teddy Roosevelt to California’s own Republican Governor, Arnold Schwarzenegger -- that historically pushed for civil rights, it might not seem so preposterous. The Republicans take a long time to see the light, but, when they do, they are steadfast in their defense of civil rights. Sarah Palin’s soft-pedaling of the gay rights issue during the vice-presidential debate was evidence of a seismic shift going on within the G.O.P. as a whole. My discussions with several party regulars at the Republican National Convention in St. Paul revealed the same sentiment: save for a dwindling core of rabid fundamentalists, the G.O.P. is primed for a sea change in its attitudes towards gays.
True conservatives saw Measure 8 as another example of government intrusion into the private lives of Americans. To these patriots, telling a person whom they can marry is akin to taking away his guns, his right to privacy, his freedom of speech, and his right to decide how best to educate his children or whether to join a labor union.
Another option is for moderate and conservative gay people to form a third party. As the two major parties compete to see who can pander the most to their core religious base (black and Latino fundamentalists on the Democratic side, mostly white and Confederate born-agains and Mormons on the Republican side), gay people may soon find themselves left out in the cold, called upon for their fundraising ability, with little in return. If otherwise moderate and conservative gays opened their mind to the possibility, they would find much in common with moderate Republicans and Democrats, who are both turned off by the bigoted religiosity of their respective parties. A third party formed around respect for individual liberty, fiscal conservatism, personal responsibility, protection of natural resources, and freedom from all but the most imminently threatening foreign imbroglios would have appeal to gays of all stripes.
Thomas Jefferson warned, “A government big enough to give you everything you want is strong enough to take everything you have.” Nearly a week after the historic election of Barack Obama, gay people and their friends are discovering how prescient Mr. Jefferson was.
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| Jim,
Overall, a good piece.
While I am skeptical about your suggestion of GOP acceptance of gays or gays as constituents of a new moderate conservative, isolationist party, I agree that gays are not being well served by the Democratic party. I hope we may see better party behaviour but I think this battle is going to have to be fought on the individual and state level for the foreseeable future.
The No on 8 campaign was fragmented and poorly run until the last two weeks. If California had seen the post-Prop-8-passage level of demonstrations before the election, Prop 8 might well have been defeated.
-David
| I was just throwing out a few quick ideas for the sake of leverage. There are many others. | | |
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| Jimmy, Calm down please. You're hysterical. The passage of Prop 8 is not "gay-bashing", for crying out loud. Larry Elder is completely mistaken, and quoting him as if he's an authority doesn't strengthen the case. The proposition IS about protecting marriage and children. Gay people have the same rights as anyone else. My gay friend and I can both go marry the Larsen sisters and have families. Gay people can be parents as easily as heterosexual people. Marry the opposite sex and do it! Don't decide you don't want to do that and then complain that you "can't". We have civil unions for gays, we accept them and tolerate their relationships. Let's not take leave of our senses and call it "marriage" though. Every child knows what marriage is, and it doesn't involve members of the same gender. I can't believe all the whining and protests. There has to be a male/female polarity for marriage. The interaction of that polarity bears fruit. Out of the relationships established in the nuclear family, come all other relationships in the world. The ideal of the nuclear family has to be protected and encouraged, or else all relationships will become ever more chaotic, and society will become disjointed and degraded. Examples of family failures, or gay parenting successes are distractions and irrelevant. In science we look for the building blocks of large things. It's the same in society and relationships. That's why we have stories like Adam and Eve. They illustrate the natural order. If we start with two members of the same sex, who are exclusively homosexual - it leads nowhere. Do we want children asking their parents if they'll marry a boy or a girl when they grow up? Do we want children worried and afraid that they may be gay and not know it? The idea is to take confusion out of their lives, and provide a secure home for them. There is only one ideal. If these tantrums keep up, we'll see more "Yes on 8" supporters fast. Gays prompted Prop 8's arrival. | Gosh, I hate to do this Timmy, G, but did you know that the notion of "natural order" was a manmade concept? That is, it is not set in stone. I know that's kind of scary, but my reading of science and of religions, such as Zen Buddhism, that have approached the notions of "nature" and "order" with depth and precision tells me this: the world is far more complex, far more baffling, far more filled with surprise and weird and random permutations than our limited notions of "order" can ever encapsulate. Though that may be true, I still want the dude who pulled a knife on me put away for awhile. So, there is a balance here. We dive into the "don't-know" every moment, yet still manage to construct ideas and laws based on our limited knowledge. Given this gangly state of affairs, it is best to keep an open heart to difference. And this is where the supporters of Measure 8 are on the wrong side of history. There was more "Order" in Africa when white European colonists had black Africans under their thumb, but there was no humanity. Order versus humanity. In this debate over gay marriage, we have veered far too much towards "order." We need to correct the imbalance. | | |
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| Wow. To equate one's race and one's sexual preference is truly absurd. They are not the same and this myth that special rights for gays has the same moral imperative as civil rights is just absurd. You wanna go father a child? Go father a child. Put your penis in a vagina and do it. Marriage is a union between one man and one woman. You wanna equate homosexuality with another case? Try polygamists. Is it discriminatory that we don't allow polygamy? This is a totally retarded debate. Neither African-Americans nor any other ethnicity have any imperative to support gay issues. | Ken D wants to have a word with you, GT. | | |
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| Yes Ji,overall a good piece. I to am skeptical about GOP acceptance but we will see. As for Timothy G's comments, pure bunk, as established by "Marry the opposite sex and do it!" comment- purely illogical... Gay people do not have the same rights as long as we are seperate but equal, a well established principle in our society, gay marriage is not not a threat to anyone what so ever. | Plessy V., baby. Say no more, guv. | | |
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| Ken D, you say my comments are "pure bunk", and "illogical?" Do you have any logic to support your statement? I see your opinion, but no thought. A common definition for "same" is "identical." Male/male relationships and male/female relationships are not identical. It's silly to pretend so. It can never be. You cannot change it. "Illogical" is what I see in your denial to recognize the obvious. Come on. Try again. | "Can't we all just get along?"
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| Memo to Jim: The Gay community knows all about African-American homophobia - men on the "down low" hooking up and bring STD's home to their wives - rappers and athletes spewing their venom - it's an old story. Barack Obama has taken on this issue - confronting the black community about its prejudice. (I'd argue that Sarah Palin's "soft-pedaling" has everything to do with political posturing and nothing to do with conviction.)
Prop. 8 lost because of an over-confident and ill-run "No on 8" campaign; political "carpetbaggers" (Mormons, Knights of Columbus, among others) providing an unprecedented war-chest for the "yes on 8" forces, and confused voters (a "yes" vote meant "no" on same-sex marriage; Spanish-language robo-calls claiming Obama supported prop-8, mailers saying the same; lies about civil unions providing the same rights, lies about potential "danger" to children - "protecting" marriage, etc.)
One can argue that strategically it might have been better to undo "don't ask, don't tell" before taking on same-sex marriage; but to suggest that LGBT people should abandon the Democratic Party and embrace Republicans or go "into the wilderness" is naive. | I mentioned a few possibilities. The main point is the necessity of leverage. The gay vote, and gay support on many levels, should no longer be taken for granted. Measure 8 opponents should stop trying to persuade Christians, especially conservative Christians. As in war and in peace, I am not big on massive demonstrations. They have their place, but real change happens at the bargaining table. Politicians cave, and suddenly get very behind one's cause, when their bread and butter is materially threatened. They, in turn, can stand in the way of whatever crazy hate their constituents endorse. | | |
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| I saw the exit polls, as well, and it was ironic that we saved the Presidency, the chickens, the teenage girls, but we allowed ourselves to be thrown under the bus via Prop 8.
In EVERY campaign, someone loses because they get out-campaigned. We spent oodles of gay and progressive dollars but aired light weight ads. We took the high road.
Our detractors (prompted mostly by the Mormon church) outspent us, out-campaigned us in the people of faith and minority communities, and told untruths in their advertising.They played hardball.
We got clobbered and it's hideous. But one day we'll figure out how to fight as effectively as our detractors do.
| Lynn, this may be true, but a focus on strategy alone misses the larger point. I am arguing for serious leverage here. I firmly believe that Martin Luther King would not have been nearly as effective without the threat of Malcolm X and the Black Panthers lurking in the background. | | |
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| phew..! i'm exhausted reading that. i don't agree with what you're suggesting. sounds convoluted to me, and like a certain somebody needs some sleep or pharmaceutical aid of some sort - maybe that's a projection, ha - i think it's going to take some time & distance to really figure out what just happened & why. i'm not connecting the dots the way you are. <3 you though! | Interesting perspective, Ms. Snellman. I always liked the "Heidi" story. | | |
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| Uh oh, Jim, be careful, someone's going to accuse you of being Ralph Nader for speaking uncomfortable truths.
| Little known fact: Ralph Nader has run for President 37 times. He actually beat Martin Van Buren, but was disqualified for his failure to grow mutton chops. | | |
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| Excellent article Jim. Maybe it's time for Gays and the Jews to band together. That could represent a full 5-6% of the population, a very powerful 3rd party in a day and age where a presidential election rout is merely the difference of 6%. | Let's call this new constituency "JAYS." If they are liberals, they will be called BLUEJAYS. If they are neoconservatives, they will be called RED-BREASTED SAPSUCKERS. | | |
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| The concept of marriage has changed culturally , e.g. women used to be more possessions of the man. Also, marriage is a contract between two people - some people have open marriages, most do not, etc. etc.
Seems to me that to continue to define marriage as only between a man and woman because that is the way it has always been is silly. Finally, I do not feel that my marriage (to a woman)is somehow in jeopardy or lessened because two people of the same gender are married - this is a common statement of same sex marriage foes. | The interesting question raised by your comment is whether there is an objective morality, or whether morality should adapt to changing situations on the ground. I think there is a similarity to the abortion debate here. Science, in the case of abortion, is for once on the conservative side. The ability to sustain human life keeps getting pushed earlier. The common ground, however, often gets lost in the tirades. And the common ground on abortion is making every attempt to avoid abortion, whether through family planning, contraception, adoption, and so on. The common ground on marriage is the shared desire to have happy and fulfilled couples, who are mature and stable enough to raise children, should they choose. In both abortion and marriage there's an objective moral good that both sides could agree on. There's probably better wording to this sentiment, but there it is. | | |
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| Actually this is just wrong. The Prop 8 voting was generational, not racial. Just wait for the old people to die and then put it on the ballot again (even though such a thing should never be on any ballot at all):
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/11/prop-8-myths.html
| With all due respect, this argument, like a lot of others made in this forum, strike me as very similar to those made against granting equal rights to Africans in South Africa and to African-Americans here in the good ole USA. I know because I was around during Dred Scott. ;)
This argument you are proposing a modified form of Gradualism. It was made during the Black Civil Rights movement. It says that society will "gradually" change. So, don't make don't big a fuss. What 's more, society "should" gradually change. I think there are strong pros and cons on this one. Others care to share? | | |
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| James Marshall, try to populate the world by starting with two homosexuals (of the same gender - I'll let you choose) and let's see what happens. Honestly, is there any reason to enter the great "Don't Know" regarding this? Not for me. Now if your assignment is to figure out how to populate the world using only two human beings to begin with - I submit to you that it can only be done via the natural order of things. Obviously it requires one man and one woman. That will work, and it is NOT a manmade concept. So called same-sex "marriage" is your manmade concept, my friend. What parallel can there be with your White Europeans in Africa example? Social order of that type involves behavior of human beings. There are no behavior questions when looking into the natural way humans are made. It works in one way, one way only, and that's the way it is. It seems to me the Prop 8 opponents are scared by the truth of that. Look at their protestations (often violent and intolerant). Next thing you know, they'll be screaming that it doesn't always take a man and a woman to conceive a child, and they'll site the example of Jesus! Watch them tie themselves into a knot again tonight in Westwood. | Your line of argument is rendered absurd by the dude who just had his second child. You would protect the rights of that dude, as long as he kept his baby-making apparatus, even if all other aspects of the person were masculine. You elevate base function over justice and morality. When society has taken that path, it has always led to eugenics. We give full rights to all sorts of people who can no longer perform their biological functions as "nature" intended. Maybe you need to be one of the "slaves" in Plato's "Republic" to really get the depth of what I am saying. | | |
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| You miss the point. The point is that the Prop 8 divide is not racial, as you claim, but generational. Look at the facts in the referenced blog post.
| In an election where the moral equivalency argument could not have been more crystal clear, African-Americans weren't buying it. I don't fault them. I explicitly say we should not demonize black voters in the least. In fact, it is the height of hubris, and quasi-racist actually, to suggest that black voters simply need more or better education on this issue. My black friends who opposed gay marriage don't need education on this point. They simply don't buy the moral equivalency argument. Period. Which is why I argue that those who support gay marriage should stop trying to persuade the un-persuadable, and, instead, use their financial leverage, to get legislators in line. Take a cue from AIPAC for cryin' out loud. | | |
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| A small vignette. While whiling away an hour with a gossip magazine in Blighty I noticed that the well known Irish boyband, Boyzone, were featuring a gay couple romancing each other in their forthcoming video. First time it's been done by a mainstream band apparently. Surely this is the way to do it. We have celebrity gay divorces now as well... | | | |
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| Update from California: Reports indicate that the exit polls suggesting 70% African-American support for Prop.8 were wrong. The important issues were that despite a poorly run "no on 8" campaign the measure passed with a 52% "yes" vote which is significantly less than the 2000 proposition. Unfortunately, the California constitution only requires a simple majority for amendment. Fortunately, we're in California, where there the courts, the "governator", etc. favor equal rights. By the way, early reports that Prop. 8 passed in LA County were also incorrect. | How wrong. I've consistently read the number was 69-70% support among African-Americans. But I think you are missing the point here. 96% or so of blacks supported Obama in California. The same cannot be said of whites and Hispanics. Not even close.
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| Note to Timothy G.: Henry VIII agreed with you that procreation (male children only) was the raison d'etre for marriage. So did that "anti- mixed marriage" crowd. You're in good company.
In fact, "traditional marriage" was only about pro-creation as it related to property and inheritance. The rule of "Prima genitor" (sp?) established a line of inheritance to the eldest son. Without a proper heir the property would be lost.
Be a man, Tim G. and admit that those gay boys marrying makes you feel "icky!" And - Get Over it! (Interestingly, when straight men talk about "gays," they generally fixate on gay men and forget about lesbians.) | | | |
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| Hey, D. A. What? What are you saying? Anything? I don't get it. What has Henry VIII to do with anything? What difference does an admission that gay boys marrying makes me feel "icky" do or prove? If it were true, it's still beside the point. Gay boys marrying each other is ridiculous, whether "icky" or not. What is your parenthetical comment at the end about? I didn't forget the lesbians. It's all the same. Here's an interesting bit I read recently. Pretty well stated, I thought. I'm interested to know your thoughts. Remember I didn't write this part: "I hate to sound cynical, sarcastic or demeaning...but what is the ultimate purpose of sex between a man and a woman? -- to procreate. (there should be no argument there) This goes back to elementary principles of the birds and bees. Next, what is the ultimate purpose of sex between two men? --- to fulfill lustful passion--its all about self-pleasure that is the purpose of a homosexual relationship. Finally, if we agree that the ultimate purpose of a homosexual relationship is to fulfil sexual desires then is there a fundamental difference in purpose between homosexuality and best~iality (this word has been banned by USAToday)? A (real) burning sexual desire and a hunger to fulfull such lusts is at the core of this debate and until we acknowledge this we will get nowhere. Your burning passions, regardless of how real it is to you does not trump moral truth." Here's a link to an excellent commentary as well. I would seriously like to know what everyone thinks about it. I'm not interested in how you feel. Check it out: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=80924 It's called "Counterfeit marriage and its counterfeit movement." That should get you all going, whatever position you have. Ta-ta. | | | |
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| Great article, Jim! I've long thought that Democrats take the gay vote for granted, the same way the Republicans take the less-govt (e.g. Ron Paul supporters) vote for granted. Both parties say to themselves, "Why should we give them anything? It's not like they are going to vote for the other party!"
Marriage is a CONTRACT. Consenting adults have the right to enter into contracts in this country. Convicted murderers on death row have no rights, correct? They do not have the right to vote, to travel freely, to be free from unreasonable searches, etc. But did you know they DO have the right to get married? Yet gays do not, except in a few states. Should gays have fewer rights than convicted murderers on death row?
Marriage is a contract, though a complicated one. From a Constitutional standpoint, I don't know how one can argue that consenting adults do NOT have the right to enter into a contract.
My prediction is that an initiative will be on the ballot again in California, in 2 years, and in 4 years, and so on, until it passes. The title will be "Initiative to Restore the Right of Marriage to Same-sex Couples". And it WILL pass. As you pointed out so well, all it would take for this initiative to pass next time would be for blacks to NOT turn out in such record numbers as they did this year. I predict that they will not be so motivated to vote in 2 and 4 years as they were this time. It wouldn't take much to make the difference.
To your writers who say that if gays want to get married they should just marry a person of the opposite sex and deal with it (a suggestion my brother actually made to me!) I have to ask "So would you like me to date your sister, or your daughter?"
| Excellent response, Willy Marshall, the first Gay Libertarian Mormon Mayor of a Utah town I've ever met! | | |
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| Hey, Willy Star Marshall, if you toe the line and promise to treat her right, you can date my sister or my daughter! Just because you're a little naughty doesn't mean that you are automatically defective in my eyes. Doesn't your question imply an underlying feeling of having something wrong with you (if you assume we don't want you around our sisters or daughters)? This is America, man! Buck up. We are unbelievably tolerant and accepting here. There's nothing wrong with you that a little character won't fix (same as most of us). | | | | |